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		<title>By: Charles Bernardo</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/07/30/increasing-science-literacy-requires-extreme-epo/comment-page-1/#comment-26768</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Bernardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is great and I commend them.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela,

I wanted to drop you a quick note to tell you how much I&#039;ve been enjoying your podcast.  I have only recently gotten into astronomy, courtesy of Death By Black Hole by your partner is this picture.  I&#039;ve jumped in with both feet and have been catching up on the back episodes of Slacker Astronomy.  I love your sentiment that astronomy is a gateway drug to education.  I&#039;m a math teacher by vocation and passion and I&#039;m always looking for ways to get my students to understand the practical applications.  I should make listening to your podcast a required assignment.

Thanks!
-Justin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela,</p>
<p>I wanted to drop you a quick note to tell you how much I&#8217;ve been enjoying your podcast.  I have only recently gotten into astronomy, courtesy of Death By Black Hole by your partner is this picture.  I&#8217;ve jumped in with both feet and have been catching up on the back episodes of Slacker Astronomy.  I love your sentiment that astronomy is a gateway drug to education.  I&#8217;m a math teacher by vocation and passion and I&#8217;m always looking for ways to get my students to understand the practical applications.  I should make listening to your podcast a required assignment.</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
-Justin</p>
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		<title>By: sky telescope magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sky telescope magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;sky telescope magazine...&lt;/strong&gt;

lol. :&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>sky telescope magazine&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>lol. :&gt;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bernardo Flood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernardo Flood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela,

I am not a scientist, I am an engineer and entrepreneur with some experience teaching in my college days. I would like to add something from my own experience that may help. 
One of my major challenges as I was growing professionally was to get people on board from a leadership perspective. Most of the times, telecom and electronic engineers. And let me tell you it was ( and still is)a major challenge. Clarity and passion always worked, but not delivering &quot;the answers&quot; and associated knowledge, just trying to address the set of questions that may lead to achieve the goal and let people to be part of the creative process. Is more like &quot;we are all doing and learning science&quot; instead of somebody teaching and the rest listening and learning. 
People that think and like to be creative also want and need to be part of the process. 
Hope this helps at least a little bit.
Bernardo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela,</p>
<p>I am not a scientist, I am an engineer and entrepreneur with some experience teaching in my college days. I would like to add something from my own experience that may help.<br />
One of my major challenges as I was growing professionally was to get people on board from a leadership perspective. Most of the times, telecom and electronic engineers. And let me tell you it was ( and still is)a major challenge. Clarity and passion always worked, but not delivering &#8220;the answers&#8221; and associated knowledge, just trying to address the set of questions that may lead to achieve the goal and let people to be part of the creative process. Is more like &#8220;we are all doing and learning science&#8221; instead of somebody teaching and the rest listening and learning.<br />
People that think and like to be creative also want and need to be part of the process.<br />
Hope this helps at least a little bit.<br />
Bernardo</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Sounds like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to speech! I have found that in dealing with the general public (I&#039;ve been working in the planetarium field for 10 years) It&#039;s always best to correct wrong information than to say no your wrong. More of a &quot;I can see why you would think that&quot; approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Sounds like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to speech! I have found that in dealing with the general public (I&#8217;ve been working in the planetarium field for 10 years) It&#8217;s always best to correct wrong information than to say no your wrong. More of a &#8220;I can see why you would think that&#8221; approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/07/30/increasing-science-literacy-requires-extreme-epo/comment-page-1/#comment-4578</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are a couple of the most popular YouTube vids, as of today, both touching on science literacy or scientific method. http://youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4n7g31RlE and http://youtube.com/watch?v=OruQy-X32O0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a couple of the most popular YouTube vids, as of today, both touching on science literacy or scientific method. <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4n7g31RlE" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4n7g31RlE</a> and <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=OruQy-X32O0" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=OruQy-X32O0</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Astrosphere for July 31, 2007 &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/07/30/increasing-science-literacy-requires-extreme-epo/comment-page-1/#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Astrosphere for July 31, 2007 &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pamela Gay is attending the American Association of Physics Teachers, and has this great article about the challenges of both doing and popularizing science. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended Pamela&#039;s 8-hour workshop on Sunday at the AAPT.  She was as informative (and entertaining, though in a technical context) as Dr. Tyson, I thought.  And she managed her time better:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended Pamela&#8217;s 8-hour workshop on Sunday at the AAPT.  She was as informative (and entertaining, though in a technical context) as Dr. Tyson, I thought.  And she managed her time better:)</p>
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		<title>By: Sergeant Zim</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/07/30/increasing-science-literacy-requires-extreme-epo/comment-page-1/#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergeant Zim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, somehow I get the feeling that  &quot;the same television station who â€šÃ„Ãºcanâ€šÃ„Ã´t bother with usâ€šÃ„Ã¹&quot; has daily articles about the local Garden Club, horoscope, and revival preacher, am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, somehow I get the feeling that  &#8220;the same television station who â€šÃ„Ãºcanâ€šÃ„Ã´t bother with usâ€šÃ„Ã¹&#8221; has daily articles about the local Garden Club, horoscope, and revival preacher, am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: hale_bopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hale_bopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was at Fermilab, K.C. Cole gave a talk titled &quot;Lost in the Translation: Writing About Science for the General Public&quot;.  She hit on some of the themes here.

You can watch the talk streaming at

http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EPPOffice-w/colloq/past_01_02.html

Scroll down to March 27th, 2002.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was at Fermilab, K.C. Cole gave a talk titled &#8220;Lost in the Translation: Writing About Science for the General Public&#8221;.  She hit on some of the themes here.</p>
<p>You can watch the talk streaming at</p>
<p><a href="http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EPPOffice-w/colloq/past_01_02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EPPOffice-w/colloq/past_01_02.html</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to March 27th, 2002.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: RBH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin wrote&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the big problems I have found is that to the â€šÃ„Ãºmainstream mediaâ€šÃ„Ã¹ science news isnâ€šÃ„Ã´t â€šÃ„Ãºcool.â€šÃ„Ã¹ It doesnâ€šÃ„Ã´t belong in the â€šÃ„Ãºif it bleeds, it leadsâ€šÃ„Ã¹ way of thinking in todayâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„Ãºgot to beat the other station, we need ratingsâ€šÃ„Ã¹ mindset.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s the same mindset that gives us the &quot;New scientific breakthrough!&quot; style of science reporting, too.  The PR departments of universities bear no little responsibility for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin wrote<br />
<blockquote>One of the big problems I have found is that to the â€šÃ„Ãºmainstream mediaâ€šÃ„Ã¹ science news isnâ€šÃ„Ã´t â€šÃ„Ãºcool.â€šÃ„Ã¹ It doesnâ€šÃ„Ã´t belong in the â€šÃ„Ãºif it bleeds, it leadsâ€šÃ„Ã¹ way of thinking in todayâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„Ãºgot to beat the other station, we need ratingsâ€šÃ„Ã¹ mindset.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the same mindset that gives us the &#8220;New scientific breakthrough!&#8221; style of science reporting, too.  The PR departments of universities bear no little responsibility for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Tyson is a regular (roughly every 2 weeks) on the Daily Show.  It&#039;s always an awesome interview. I think most scientists wouldn&#039;t fit John Stewart&#039;s interview style (which is pretty much Improv comedy,) but Dr. Tyson always does an excellent job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Tyson is a regular (roughly every 2 weeks) on the Daily Show.  It&#8217;s always an awesome interview. I think most scientists wouldn&#8217;t fit John Stewart&#8217;s interview style (which is pretty much Improv comedy,) but Dr. Tyson always does an excellent job.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting corollary to the &quot;bleeds, leads&quot; note - my research is largely about how we all might get dead from various astrophysical catastrophes... and I&#039;ve had at least one popular press article every year since starting this work, and a TV documentary on the show &quot;Mega Disaters&quot; coming up this fall on the History Channel.

So, you can combine science and gratuitous violence... but of course not all science fits that, nor should it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting corollary to the &#8220;bleeds, leads&#8221; note &#8211; my research is largely about how we all might get dead from various astrophysical catastrophes&#8230; and I&#8217;ve had at least one popular press article every year since starting this work, and a TV documentary on the show &#8220;Mega Disaters&#8221; coming up this fall on the History Channel.</p>
<p>So, you can combine science and gratuitous violence&#8230; but of course not all science fits that, nor should it!</p>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Truth and/or clarity &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Truth and/or clarity &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pamela Gay is an astronomer, educator, outreach chick, writer, and all around cool person (much like me, of course, except for the chick part). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pamela Gay is an astronomer, educator, outreach chick, writer, and all around cool person (much like me, of course, except for the chick part). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the big problems I have found is that to the &quot;mainstream media&quot; science news isn&#039;t &quot;cool.&quot; It doesn&#039;t belong in the &quot;if it bleeds, it leads&quot; way of thinking in today&#039;s &quot;got to beat the other station, we need ratings&quot; mindset. 

Case in point: I try the best I can to get publicity for our astronomy club&#039;s events. Twice a month we open our observatory to the public, and we have meetings open to everyone (and would love Dr. Tyson, Dr. Gay, and Dr. Plait to give talks). But we aren&#039;t &quot;news.&quot; Sure,we can get listed on internet calendars, but unless there&#039;s a big astronomical event, we won&#039;t get play on the television. 

But I digressed for minute. My point is that one station here, when asked to give us a small amount of publicity for an upcoming public event at our observatory, said - and I quote - &lt;i&gt;&quot;we can&#039;t do that all the time...there are other venues that cater to more people (fairs, etc.) that we have to mention that are more important.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Until the news media comes to realize that science, and educating the public about science, is interesting, it&#039;s going to be an uphill fight. But it&#039;s one we can&#039;t stop fighting. 

One last thing: the same television station who &quot;can&#039;t bother with us&quot; has local blogs on their site, so readers can see &quot;what&#039;s going on in the area.&quot; I have a blog for our astronomy club (to try to educate the local public about us and astronomy), but they don&#039;t want to have anything to do with using our blog. They have blogs about kittens, and photos, and local politics (with no experts, mind you) but no science.

Sometimes I feel like Sisyphus. :</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the big problems I have found is that to the &#8220;mainstream media&#8221; science news isn&#8217;t &#8220;cool.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t belong in the &#8220;if it bleeds, it leads&#8221; way of thinking in today&#8217;s &#8220;got to beat the other station, we need ratings&#8221; mindset. </p>
<p>Case in point: I try the best I can to get publicity for our astronomy club&#8217;s events. Twice a month we open our observatory to the public, and we have meetings open to everyone (and would love Dr. Tyson, Dr. Gay, and Dr. Plait to give talks). But we aren&#8217;t &#8220;news.&#8221; Sure,we can get listed on internet calendars, but unless there&#8217;s a big astronomical event, we won&#8217;t get play on the television. </p>
<p>But I digressed for minute. My point is that one station here, when asked to give us a small amount of publicity for an upcoming public event at our observatory, said &#8211; and I quote &#8211; <i>&#8220;we can&#8217;t do that all the time&#8230;there are other venues that cater to more people (fairs, etc.) that we have to mention that are more important.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Until the news media comes to realize that science, and educating the public about science, is interesting, it&#8217;s going to be an uphill fight. But it&#8217;s one we can&#8217;t stop fighting. </p>
<p>One last thing: the same television station who &#8220;can&#8217;t bother with us&#8221; has local blogs on their site, so readers can see &#8220;what&#8217;s going on in the area.&#8221; I have a blog for our astronomy club (to try to educate the local public about us and astronomy), but they don&#8217;t want to have anything to do with using our blog. They have blogs about kittens, and photos, and local politics (with no experts, mind you) but no science.</p>
<p>Sometimes I feel like Sisyphus. :</p>
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