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	<title>Comments on: Google Sky just made teaching astro easier</title>
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		<title>By: rajusundaram.k</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-7607</link>
		<dc:creator>rajusundaram.k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is a g8 site allows us to see galaxy , which is out of our reach.
lovely. i appreciate your work for us, thk you very very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a g8 site allows us to see galaxy , which is out of our reach.<br />
lovely. i appreciate your work for us, thk you very very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-7183</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Google Earth with sky is pretty cool, it&#039;s useless at home for me.  Why?  I&#039;ve got a slow modem.  My high speed options are comcast at $80 a month or nothing.  I can&#039;t get DSL.

If you have a good video card, stellarium is good.  Under Linux, i use kstars alot.  It only goes down to mag 8 or so, which isn&#039;t good enough to do field stars for some things - like finding Pluto.  If you&#039;re connected to the internet, kstars does alot of the linking out to internet sites for more info on objects.  It was stunning when it came out, but didn&#039;t the the press that Google sky got.

I also use Planetarium on my Palm Pilot.  Stars to mag 10.5 (deeper if i had more memory).  In my hand at night, very handy for answering the odd question like &quot;how far away is Vega&quot; should my memory lapse.  I also use it to log observations when they happen.

I have brought a laptop out at night, armed with a knoppix boot-linux-from-CD, and cranked up kstars.  But my palm screen doesn&#039;t blind me (it has a wimpy backlight) and it&#039;s not heavy enough to break my back.

I also use xephem, celestia, an NGC database, and sometimes i&#039;ll use the AAVSO site to create field star maps for objects.

My Orion Dob&#039;s computer can help. For example, i can look up at the sky, see that there&#039;s a sucker hole in Hercules (perhaps after consulting Planetarium), ask my telescope for double stars there, and it points me to the first in a list of about 10.  The hole moves to Cynus, and i ask it about globulars or galaxies there, etc.

But are you saying that you can put something up on Google Earth (sky) that your students can see?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Google Earth with sky is pretty cool, it&#8217;s useless at home for me.  Why?  I&#8217;ve got a slow modem.  My high speed options are comcast at $80 a month or nothing.  I can&#8217;t get DSL.</p>
<p>If you have a good video card, stellarium is good.  Under Linux, i use kstars alot.  It only goes down to mag 8 or so, which isn&#8217;t good enough to do field stars for some things &#8211; like finding Pluto.  If you&#8217;re connected to the internet, kstars does alot of the linking out to internet sites for more info on objects.  It was stunning when it came out, but didn&#8217;t the the press that Google sky got.</p>
<p>I also use Planetarium on my Palm Pilot.  Stars to mag 10.5 (deeper if i had more memory).  In my hand at night, very handy for answering the odd question like &#8220;how far away is Vega&#8221; should my memory lapse.  I also use it to log observations when they happen.</p>
<p>I have brought a laptop out at night, armed with a knoppix boot-linux-from-CD, and cranked up kstars.  But my palm screen doesn&#8217;t blind me (it has a wimpy backlight) and it&#8217;s not heavy enough to break my back.</p>
<p>I also use xephem, celestia, an NGC database, and sometimes i&#8217;ll use the AAVSO site to create field star maps for objects.</p>
<p>My Orion Dob&#8217;s computer can help. For example, i can look up at the sky, see that there&#8217;s a sucker hole in Hercules (perhaps after consulting Planetarium), ask my telescope for double stars there, and it points me to the first in a list of about 10.  The hole moves to Cynus, and i ask it about globulars or galaxies there, etc.</p>
<p>But are you saying that you can put something up on Google Earth (sky) that your students can see?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Sieling</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-7118</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Sieling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that while I see great potential in Google Sky, it is pretty god-awful ugly for a modern web app (not that Google, aside from Google Earth, ever does things attractively). I think this new offering has a considerable way to go before I&#039;d consider using it for anything other than a pinch where I don&#039;t have my laptop with me.

That said, the price can&#039;t be beat and as a stark, technical utility it&#039;s great and sure to stir things up in the planetarium software space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that while I see great potential in Google Sky, it is pretty god-awful ugly for a modern web app (not that Google, aside from Google Earth, ever does things attractively). I think this new offering has a considerable way to go before I&#8217;d consider using it for anything other than a pinch where I don&#8217;t have my laptop with me.</p>
<p>That said, the price can&#8217;t be beat and as a stark, technical utility it&#8217;s great and sure to stir things up in the planetarium software space.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb Telescope Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News Updates 8.27.07</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-7043</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb Telescope Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News Updates 8.27.07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] several improvements. Hopefully they will make it into future versions. Dr. Pamela Gay at the Star Stryder blog is happy about the ways she can use Sky to make it easier to teach astronomy. The unofficial [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] several improvements. Hopefully they will make it into future versions. Dr. Pamela Gay at the Star Stryder blog is happy about the ways she can use Sky to make it easier to teach astronomy. The unofficial [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Kinne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Kinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s point regarding better solutions out there is well taken. I&#039;m a Starry Night Pro fan, myself, with some Stellarium experience on Linux as well as starting to translate that program in to Esperanto.

That being said, I have to agree with Pamela with regard to the Google Apps usefulness in education. You&#039;re not going to get SNP or even Stellarium unless the interest is already there. If half the class has SNP and the other half has Stellarium then your teaching is made more difficult because you spend more time dealing with user interface differences than astronomy. With a publically known app such as Google Sky everyone in a class can get it, you deal with user interface issues once, and then concentrate on the proper class content.

And then the more intersted and committed people can go to SNP, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone&#8217;s point regarding better solutions out there is well taken. I&#8217;m a Starry Night Pro fan, myself, with some Stellarium experience on Linux as well as starting to translate that program in to Esperanto.</p>
<p>That being said, I have to agree with Pamela with regard to the Google Apps usefulness in education. You&#8217;re not going to get SNP or even Stellarium unless the interest is already there. If half the class has SNP and the other half has Stellarium then your teaching is made more difficult because you spend more time dealing with user interface differences than astronomy. With a publically known app such as Google Sky everyone in a class can get it, you deal with user interface issues once, and then concentrate on the proper class content.</p>
<p>And then the more intersted and committed people can go to SNP, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Astronomy &#171; SpaceWatch Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-6867</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Astronomy &#171; SpaceWatch Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other views of this application from astronomers, we invite you to read Dr. Pamela Gay&#8217;s Star Stryder blog and Dr. Phil Plait&#8217;s Bad Astronomy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other views of this application from astronomers, we invite you to read Dr. Pamela Gay&#8217;s Star Stryder blog and Dr. Phil Plait&#8217;s Bad Astronomy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Ler&#8230;-- Rastos de Luz</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-6856</link>
		<dc:creator>A Ler&#8230;-- Rastos de Luz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google Sky just made teaching astro easier no Star Stryder. Ainda sobre este tema, The Point of Google Sky no Davep&#8217;s Astronomy The Aurigids and You no The Spacewriter Ramblings  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google Sky just made teaching astro easier no Star Stryder. Ainda sobre este tema, The Point of Google Sky no Davep&#8217;s Astronomy The Aurigids and You no The Spacewriter Ramblings  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard B. Drumm</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-6811</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard B. Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit that I&#039;m not familiar with KML. Can you give me an example of how the content might be used or presented in the classroom setting? This sounds cool...

Not only that, but being free, it&#039;ll introduce lots of folks in light polluted cities to the wonders of the sky that they&#039;re missing. Maybe they&#039;ll -DO- something about all the light pollution when they see what&#039;s at stake. Hope so.
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I&#8217;m not familiar with KML. Can you give me an example of how the content might be used or presented in the classroom setting? This sounds cool&#8230;</p>
<p>Not only that, but being free, it&#8217;ll introduce lots of folks in light polluted cities to the wonders of the sky that they&#8217;re missing. Maybe they&#8217;ll -DO- something about all the light pollution when they see what&#8217;s at stake. Hope so.<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like Stellarium http://www.stellarium.org/ It&#039;s a very nice open source freeware program.  I use to use MyStars http://www.relativedata.com/ which is quite a good shareware program, but I just like the Stellarium interface better.

One of the things that&#039;s nice is that Stellarium can run on your laptop in &quot;red night vision mode&quot;.  It&#039;s not just a planetarium program, it&#039;s kind of like having an on line Uranometria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Stellarium <a href="http://www.stellarium.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stellarium.org/</a> It&#8217;s a very nice open source freeware program.  I use to use MyStars <a href="http://www.relativedata.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.relativedata.com/</a> which is quite a good shareware program, but I just like the Stellarium interface better.</p>
<p>One of the things that&#8217;s nice is that Stellarium can run on your laptop in &#8220;red night vision mode&#8221;.  It&#8217;s not just a planetarium program, it&#8217;s kind of like having an on line Uranometria.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrogeek</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-6772</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrogeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that &lt;a&gt;
Dave Pearson has a good point&lt;/a&gt;; Google Sky is not just another planetarium program.  It&#039;s a way for someone (say, an astronomy professor?) to create customized content as a KML layer, and then publish that for other people (say, astronomy students?) to access that content.  

As a pure planetarium program, &lt;a href=&quot;http://astrogeek.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/reconsidering-google-sky/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I think that there are other things out there that are better&lt;/a&gt; (both paid like SNP, or free like Stellarium), but the ability to do neat things with the KML layers is really what is going to be unique about Google Sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that <a><br />
Dave Pearson has a good point</a>; Google Sky is not just another planetarium program.  It&#8217;s a way for someone (say, an astronomy professor?) to create customized content as a KML layer, and then publish that for other people (say, astronomy students?) to access that content.  </p>
<p>As a pure planetarium program, <a href="http://astrogeek.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/reconsidering-google-sky/" rel="nofollow">I think that there are other things out there that are better</a> (both paid like SNP, or free like Stellarium), but the ability to do neat things with the KML layers is really what is going to be unique about Google Sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard B. Drumm</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2007/08/22/google-just-made-teaching-astro-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard B. Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam:
Have you used Starry Night Pro? It addresses all of Phil&#039;s objections:
- It does tell you where you are viewing from,
- It shows you the time your are viewing,
- The sky moves in real time,
- You can see the sun if it&#039;s up (and turn off the daylight in the sky),
- You can tell where the horizon is (or can turn it off),
- The Owl Nebula (M97) is correctly identified &amp; its image is legible,
- Labels on Stars, DSOs, constellations are easily removeable.

Of course it -does- cost money, but it&#039;s not thousands of bucks or anything. I think I spent $120 a few years ago for mine (V4.5). 
I just think you&#039;d find it a user friendly program is all, and BTW I&#039;m in no way connected to Space Holdings or Imaginova or anything, I&#039;m just a satisfied user. I have not upgraded to the version that has star images (from the Sloan if I recall correctly) instead of graphics, because that version IS slower and would take up more room on my Mac laptop.
Richard B. Drumm
VP, CAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam:<br />
Have you used Starry Night Pro? It addresses all of Phil&#8217;s objections:<br />
- It does tell you where you are viewing from,<br />
- It shows you the time your are viewing,<br />
- The sky moves in real time,<br />
- You can see the sun if it&#8217;s up (and turn off the daylight in the sky),<br />
- You can tell where the horizon is (or can turn it off),<br />
- The Owl Nebula (M97) is correctly identified &amp; its image is legible,<br />
- Labels on Stars, DSOs, constellations are easily removeable.</p>
<p>Of course it -does- cost money, but it&#8217;s not thousands of bucks or anything. I think I spent $120 a few years ago for mine (V4.5).<br />
I just think you&#8217;d find it a user friendly program is all, and BTW I&#8217;m in no way connected to Space Holdings or Imaginova or anything, I&#8217;m just a satisfied user. I have not upgraded to the version that has star images (from the Sloan if I recall correctly) instead of graphics, because that version IS slower and would take up more room on my Mac laptop.<br />
Richard B. Drumm<br />
VP, CAS</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said on a few other places (Phil&#039;s, my own, my club&#039;s) I believe this is a great little application for the person who has just started to get an interest in astronomy and the sky. For the astronomy enthusiast, they will think it&#039;s cute and all, but will stick primarily with their own programs.

I think this is a good app, but if I need to figure out something  special I&#039;ll fire up Starry Night, The Sky, or Celestia. 

But again, for those just starting, it&#039;s great. Like I said on my  club&#039;s blog...

&quot;So go ahead. Download Google Earth, and start exploring space. And once you do that, go out and see what the real stars look like (which we do at our observatory).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said on a few other places (Phil&#8217;s, my own, my club&#8217;s) I believe this is a great little application for the person who has just started to get an interest in astronomy and the sky. For the astronomy enthusiast, they will think it&#8217;s cute and all, but will stick primarily with their own programs.</p>
<p>I think this is a good app, but if I need to figure out something  special I&#8217;ll fire up Starry Night, The Sky, or Celestia. </p>
<p>But again, for those just starting, it&#8217;s great. Like I said on my  club&#8217;s blog&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;So go ahead. Download Google Earth, and start exploring space. And once you do that, go out and see what the real stars look like (which we do at our observatory).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stellarium is great, but I agree it is slow. Google Sky is smoother and easier to use. Of course, I&#039;m no astronomer so I can only comment as a lay person. I read Phil&#039;s comments and (as usual) he makes great points about the need for accuracy and thoroughness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stellarium is great, but I agree it is slow. Google Sky is smoother and easier to use. Of course, I&#8217;m no astronomer so I can only comment as a lay person. I read Phil&#8217;s comments and (as usual) he makes great points about the need for accuracy and thoroughness.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, I&#039;ve never had any problems with speed in Stellarium so I guess it must depend on your graphics card. From Phil&#039;s comments, I think Stellarium still does a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, I&#8217;ve never had any problems with speed in Stellarium so I guess it must depend on your graphics card. From Phil&#8217;s comments, I think Stellarium still does a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I heard (or should I say read) about this I had to go download the new version. I&#039;ve been using Stellarium, but it is pretty slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I heard (or should I say read) about this I had to go download the new version. I&#8217;ve been using Stellarium, but it is pretty slow.</p>
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