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		<title>By: Ruzie tussen NASA-baas en sterrenkundigenbijAstroblogs</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/01/09/nasa-i-think-we-need-to-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-22806</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruzie tussen NASA-baas en sterrenkundigenbijAstroblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Griffin enigzins had laten bezinken,Â¬â€ Â¬â€ schreef GrayÂ¬â€ nog een blog en daarin roept ze Griffin op om een dialoog met de sterrenkundige wereld aan te gaan. Ook Gray ziet wel in dat de NASA gebonden is aan internationale afspraken om de ISS draaiende te [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Griffin enigzins had laten bezinken,Â¬â€ Â¬â€ schreef GrayÂ¬â€ nog een blog en daarin roept ze Griffin op om een dialoog met de sterrenkundige wereld aan te gaan. Ook Gray ziet wel in dat de NASA gebonden is aan internationale afspraken om de ISS draaiende te [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela, I think you&#039;ve accidentally increased the uncertainty on the WMAP results ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela, I think you&#8217;ve accidentally increased the uncertainty on the WMAP results <img src='http://www.starstryder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffin might also have been peeved because people went around him to get things passed (e.g. the SIM). The respect thing needs to run both ways. Going around the boss is still a no-no. But you&#039;re right, his tone was not helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin might also have been peeved because people went around him to get things passed (e.g. the SIM). The respect thing needs to run both ways. Going around the boss is still a no-no. But you&#8217;re right, his tone was not helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: John J. Tormey III, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John J. Tormey III, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE	
January 2, 2008

Contact: 
Tom Sullivan, â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹: 1-845-480-1088, â€šÃ„Ãºhttp://www.quietrockland.comâ€šÃ„Ã¹
John J. Tormey III, Esq.: 1-212-410-4142

ROCKLAND COUNTY, NEW YORK CITIZEN GROUP â€šÃ„ÃºQUIET ROCKLANDâ€šÃ„Ã¹ CALLS ON U.S. CONGRESS AND THE GAO TO INVESTIGATE NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´S ISSUANCE OF ITS $11 MILLION, 16,000-PAGE â€šÃ„ÃºAIR SAFETY SURVEYâ€šÃ„Ã¹

Rockland County, NY - January 2, 2008:  Livid that NASA and the FAA now appear to have acted in concert towards a common goal of concealing vital air traffic safety information from flyers and others on the ground, and in solidarity with a call for further hearings by Chairman of House Science and Technology Committee, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), suburban New York activist group â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹ today called upon Congress and its investigative arm the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to examine and compel correction of NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s just-issued â€šÃ„ÃºAir Safety Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã¹.

John J. Tormey III, attorney with â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹, said: â€šÃ„ÃºNASA Administrator Michael Griffin admitted that his agencyâ€šÃ„Ã´s release of the Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã´s data occurred late on New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s Eve. He then assured all of us that NASA â€šÃ„Ã²didnâ€šÃ„Ã´t deliberately choose to release on the slowest news day of the yearâ€šÃ„Ã´. Griffin and NASA doth protest too much. The NASA survey data was issued in a redacted and deliberately-indecipherable manner. NASA previously sought to withhold the totality of this same data at least once before, when NASA rejected a prior AP FOIA request for it. Of course NASA sought to bury its New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s information-release amongst the champagne corks and the dropping ball. Griffinâ€šÃ„Ã´s suggestion otherwise insults the intelligence of the American public.

â€šÃ„ÃºIn response, Quiet Rockland schedules this press release to arrive on what should be one of the busiest back-to-work news days of the new year. 2008 will be the year that we mandate transparency of government. We cannot trust NASA management to communicate fairly or candidly to the American people. It is pathetic that this once-majestic agency of the Apollo era, no longer able to put astronauts on the Moon, and facing difficulty keeping a number of its recently-launched spacecraft intact, now cannot even terrestrially adopt precision or seriousness of purpose beyond that of Captain Anthony Nelson, Major Roger Healy, and Barbara Edenâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„Ã²Jeannieâ€šÃ„Ã´. How dare NASA play space games with our safety!

â€šÃ„ÃºThe organizational ineptitude of NASA management is particularly threatening in light of yet another recent runway incident between two planes over the Holidays, once again at LAX, involving pilot miscommunications with an air traffic controller. NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s ostensible collaboration with its cousin-agency FAA towards concealing safety information from Americans, is confluent with the overall objective of the aero-mercantile complex to over-schedule flights and over-saturate our skies. With focus only upon the almighty buck, these un-checked rogue agencies continue to act at the expense of citizen and environmental safety and health. FAAâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„ÃºNY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesignâ€šÃ„Ã¹ is another component of this same harmful aviation special-interest plan. That Redesign must be and will be defeated by citizen outcry such as that voiced by â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´, not to mention the pending federal court litigations and Congressional action against it, taken in the interests of making our skies and our homes safer.

â€šÃ„ÃºNASA and Administrator Michael Griffin indicate that they have no intention to analyze or study, much less further report to the public or press upon the 16,000-plus pages of raw data in the â€šÃ„Ã²Air Safety Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã´. â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ therefore asks that Congress and the GAO: (1) audit and investigate NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s purposeful mishandling and cheeky and contemptuous New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s Eve issuance of purposefully-obfuscated and misleading data; and (2) order NASA to marshal and digest the Survey data and report to Congress, the GAO, and the media on it, in a fully-intelligible writing, within thirty calendar days after the date of this press release. Given NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s proclivity to hide from the truth, â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ suggests Groundhog Day as the most fitting date imaginable for that next reportâ€šÃ„Ã´s issuance. 

â€šÃ„ÃºOf the current Survey, Griffin says â€šÃ„Ã²Itâ€šÃ„Ã´s hard for meâ€šÃ„Â¶ to see any data the traveling public would care about or ought to care aboutâ€šÃ„Ã´. â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ assures Griffin and NASA that anecdotes extracted from the current Survey such as â€šÃ„Ãºpilot difficulties in talking to controllers in busy airspaceâ€šÃ„Ã´; air traffic control â€šÃ„Ãºcapacity inadequate to handle traffic loadâ€šÃ„Ã¹; â€šÃ„Ãºtoo many people on the frequencyâ€šÃ„Â¶causing a safety problemâ€šÃ„Ã¹; and perhaps worst of all, â€šÃ„Ãºpilots asleepâ€šÃ„Ã¹ on the â€šÃ„Ãºflight deckâ€šÃ„Ã¹, are most definitely â€šÃ„Ãºcared aboutâ€šÃ„Ã¹ by the traveling public - and will indubitably also be â€šÃ„Ãºcared aboutâ€šÃ„Ã¹ by the many travelers who comprise Congress, the GAO, and the federal judiciary.â€šÃ„Ã¹</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
January 2, 2008</p>
<p>Contact:<br />
Tom Sullivan, â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹: 1-845-480-1088, â€šÃ„Ãºhttp://www.quietrockland.comâ€šÃ„Ã¹<br />
John J. Tormey III, Esq.: 1-212-410-4142</p>
<p>ROCKLAND COUNTY, NEW YORK CITIZEN GROUP â€šÃ„ÃºQUIET ROCKLANDâ€šÃ„Ã¹ CALLS ON U.S. CONGRESS AND THE GAO TO INVESTIGATE NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´S ISSUANCE OF ITS $11 MILLION, 16,000-PAGE â€šÃ„ÃºAIR SAFETY SURVEYâ€šÃ„Ã¹</p>
<p>Rockland County, NY &#8211; January 2, 2008:  Livid that NASA and the FAA now appear to have acted in concert towards a common goal of concealing vital air traffic safety information from flyers and others on the ground, and in solidarity with a call for further hearings by Chairman of House Science and Technology Committee, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), suburban New York activist group â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹ today called upon Congress and its investigative arm the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to examine and compel correction of NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s just-issued â€šÃ„ÃºAir Safety Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã¹.</p>
<p>John J. Tormey III, attorney with â€šÃ„ÃºQuiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã¹, said: â€šÃ„ÃºNASA Administrator Michael Griffin admitted that his agencyâ€šÃ„Ã´s release of the Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã´s data occurred late on New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s Eve. He then assured all of us that NASA â€šÃ„Ã²didnâ€šÃ„Ã´t deliberately choose to release on the slowest news day of the yearâ€šÃ„Ã´. Griffin and NASA doth protest too much. The NASA survey data was issued in a redacted and deliberately-indecipherable manner. NASA previously sought to withhold the totality of this same data at least once before, when NASA rejected a prior AP FOIA request for it. Of course NASA sought to bury its New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s information-release amongst the champagne corks and the dropping ball. Griffinâ€šÃ„Ã´s suggestion otherwise insults the intelligence of the American public.</p>
<p>â€šÃ„ÃºIn response, Quiet Rockland schedules this press release to arrive on what should be one of the busiest back-to-work news days of the new year. 2008 will be the year that we mandate transparency of government. We cannot trust NASA management to communicate fairly or candidly to the American people. It is pathetic that this once-majestic agency of the Apollo era, no longer able to put astronauts on the Moon, and facing difficulty keeping a number of its recently-launched spacecraft intact, now cannot even terrestrially adopt precision or seriousness of purpose beyond that of Captain Anthony Nelson, Major Roger Healy, and Barbara Edenâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„Ã²Jeannieâ€šÃ„Ã´. How dare NASA play space games with our safety!</p>
<p>â€šÃ„ÃºThe organizational ineptitude of NASA management is particularly threatening in light of yet another recent runway incident between two planes over the Holidays, once again at LAX, involving pilot miscommunications with an air traffic controller. NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s ostensible collaboration with its cousin-agency FAA towards concealing safety information from Americans, is confluent with the overall objective of the aero-mercantile complex to over-schedule flights and over-saturate our skies. With focus only upon the almighty buck, these un-checked rogue agencies continue to act at the expense of citizen and environmental safety and health. FAAâ€šÃ„Ã´s â€šÃ„ÃºNY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesignâ€šÃ„Ã¹ is another component of this same harmful aviation special-interest plan. That Redesign must be and will be defeated by citizen outcry such as that voiced by â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´, not to mention the pending federal court litigations and Congressional action against it, taken in the interests of making our skies and our homes safer.</p>
<p>â€šÃ„ÃºNASA and Administrator Michael Griffin indicate that they have no intention to analyze or study, much less further report to the public or press upon the 16,000-plus pages of raw data in the â€šÃ„Ã²Air Safety Surveyâ€šÃ„Ã´. â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ therefore asks that Congress and the GAO: (1) audit and investigate NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s purposeful mishandling and cheeky and contemptuous New Yearâ€šÃ„Ã´s Eve issuance of purposefully-obfuscated and misleading data; and (2) order NASA to marshal and digest the Survey data and report to Congress, the GAO, and the media on it, in a fully-intelligible writing, within thirty calendar days after the date of this press release. Given NASAâ€šÃ„Ã´s proclivity to hide from the truth, â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ suggests Groundhog Day as the most fitting date imaginable for that next reportâ€šÃ„Ã´s issuance. </p>
<p>â€šÃ„ÃºOf the current Survey, Griffin says â€šÃ„Ã²Itâ€šÃ„Ã´s hard for meâ€šÃ„Â¶ to see any data the traveling public would care about or ought to care aboutâ€šÃ„Ã´. â€šÃ„Ã²Quiet Rocklandâ€šÃ„Ã´ assures Griffin and NASA that anecdotes extracted from the current Survey such as â€šÃ„Ãºpilot difficulties in talking to controllers in busy airspaceâ€šÃ„Ã´; air traffic control â€šÃ„Ãºcapacity inadequate to handle traffic loadâ€šÃ„Ã¹; â€šÃ„Ãºtoo many people on the frequencyâ€šÃ„Â¶causing a safety problemâ€šÃ„Ã¹; and perhaps worst of all, â€šÃ„Ãºpilots asleepâ€šÃ„Ã¹ on the â€šÃ„Ãºflight deckâ€šÃ„Ã¹, are most definitely â€šÃ„Ãºcared aboutâ€šÃ„Ã¹ by the traveling public &#8211; and will indubitably also be â€šÃ„Ãºcared aboutâ€šÃ„Ã¹ by the many travelers who comprise Congress, the GAO, and the federal judiciary.â€šÃ„Ã¹</p>
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		<title>By: Richard B. Drumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard B. Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So maybe I&#039;m not as confused as I thought.
Just bummed.
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So maybe I&#8217;m not as confused as I thought.<br />
Just bummed.<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Richard B. Drumm</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/01/09/nasa-i-think-we-need-to-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-22767</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard B. Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Pam:
I&#039;m still a little confused. You say above that:
&quot;...managed to get their pet project (SIMS PlanetQuest) funded.&quot;
Which seems to indicate that money for SIM was provided by Congress. 

You went onto say:
&quot;And the funding was pretty much the amount of money needed for everything else.&quot;
Possibly indicating that there was a quid pro quo, and that the funding was illusory.

&quot;So now Griffin is stuck with SIMS, and has to cut money from, well, everything else.&quot;
This too seems to say that Griffin has to rob Dr. Peter to pay Dr. Paul...

Phil blogged this on the same meeting:
&quot;I suspect that when astronomers advocate to Congress for a mission, itâ€šÃ„Ã´s in the hopes that Congress will actually increase the budget enough to accommodate it.&quot;
So he also seems to say that there wasn&#039;t any -REAL- budgetary increase, just a shuffling of budgetary assignments with SIM eating everybody&#039;s lunch.

No wonder Griffin was POed, he&#039;s been saddled with an unfunded mandate! The bane of everybody&#039;s existance! Congress didn&#039;t put their (our) money where their mouth was yet again. 
Groan...

For what it&#039;s worth, if -I- was president (or the king of the forrrest! AKA the cowardly lion) I&#039;d double NASAs budget, no questions asked! Sorry Defense Department, you&#039;ll have to cut something. It&#039;s a drop in your gigantic bucket, you&#039;ll survive. I&#039;d double the budgets for the NOAO, NRAO, and NSF as well. 
But I&#039;m not. :(
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Pam:<br />
I&#8217;m still a little confused. You say above that:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;managed to get their pet project (SIMS PlanetQuest) funded.&#8221;<br />
Which seems to indicate that money for SIM was provided by Congress. </p>
<p>You went onto say:<br />
&#8220;And the funding was pretty much the amount of money needed for everything else.&#8221;<br />
Possibly indicating that there was a quid pro quo, and that the funding was illusory.</p>
<p>&#8220;So now Griffin is stuck with SIMS, and has to cut money from, well, everything else.&#8221;<br />
This too seems to say that Griffin has to rob Dr. Peter to pay Dr. Paul&#8230;</p>
<p>Phil blogged this on the same meeting:<br />
&#8220;I suspect that when astronomers advocate to Congress for a mission, itâ€šÃ„Ã´s in the hopes that Congress will actually increase the budget enough to accommodate it.&#8221;<br />
So he also seems to say that there wasn&#8217;t any -REAL- budgetary increase, just a shuffling of budgetary assignments with SIM eating everybody&#8217;s lunch.</p>
<p>No wonder Griffin was POed, he&#8217;s been saddled with an unfunded mandate! The bane of everybody&#8217;s existance! Congress didn&#8217;t put their (our) money where their mouth was yet again.<br />
Groan&#8230;</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, if -I- was president (or the king of the forrrest! AKA the cowardly lion) I&#8217;d double NASAs budget, no questions asked! Sorry Defense Department, you&#8217;ll have to cut something. It&#8217;s a drop in your gigantic bucket, you&#8217;ll survive. I&#8217;d double the budgets for the NOAO, NRAO, and NSF as well.<br />
But I&#8217;m not. <img src='http://www.starstryder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Rich</p>
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