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		<title>By: пaпa</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-26813</link>
		<dc:creator>пaпa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Можно и  по этому вопросу, ведь только в споре может быть достигнута истина. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Можно и  по этому вопросу, ведь только в споре может быть достигнута истина. <img src='http://www.starstryder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.J.</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23799</link>
		<dc:creator>J.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffin&#039;s inane &#039;questions vs. comments&#039; rant at the unfortunate questioner shows how intolerant this administration is toward any dissent. Incapable of listening to it, much less responding professionally. What is all this talk about bugs? Is that what he really thinks?

Just over 300 days left in this administration. It can&#039;t come soon enough. I hope they take Griffin with him. He sounds like he could use a break. And some counseling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin&#8217;s inane &#8216;questions vs. comments&#8217; rant at the unfortunate questioner shows how intolerant this administration is toward any dissent. Incapable of listening to it, much less responding professionally. What is all this talk about bugs? Is that what he really thinks?</p>
<p>Just over 300 days left in this administration. It can&#8217;t come soon enough. I hope they take Griffin with him. He sounds like he could use a break. And some counseling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mars Program Gets an &#8220;A&#8221;; NASA Slashes Funding at ParabolicArc.com</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23790</link>
		<dc:creator>Mars Program Gets an &#8220;A&#8221;; NASA Slashes Funding at ParabolicArc.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] L. Gay has an account of Griffin&#8217;s talk in Houston and the resulting Q&amp;A on her Star Stryder website. Several [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23668</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Mike, always have.  I agree that he sounds jaded and can completely understand that it is probably from exhaustion and battling uphill.  But I think he is fighting the right battles, especially in a strategic sense:
Education, per se, is not his mission.  Tell Dept of Ed. to call Mike and ask for cool stuff to teach, but don&#039;t tell Mike to go round up all the nations students and read them a story.  Make DoEd a content puller, not NASA a content pusher.  
I think its jaded on our part to think Mike was suggesting that scientist forget their skill set specialties.  I think the focus is on where these skills are applied, and this should be flexible.  The nation will not tolerate a &#039;large&#039; (meaning out of balance) Mars program or any other single planet, for decades on end.  Wont people get bored?  Wouldn&#039;t they be right to ask, &#039;you&#039;ve been studying this one question for how long?&#039;.  
I think it is just mean of us, knowing that the man is trying to promote a space exploration vision and is tired from the uphill climb, to interpret his comments so bleakly.  For example, he clearly is not suggesting to zero the Mars budget, so lets not feign quite such alarm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Mike, always have.  I agree that he sounds jaded and can completely understand that it is probably from exhaustion and battling uphill.  But I think he is fighting the right battles, especially in a strategic sense:<br />
Education, per se, is not his mission.  Tell Dept of Ed. to call Mike and ask for cool stuff to teach, but don&#8217;t tell Mike to go round up all the nations students and read them a story.  Make DoEd a content puller, not NASA a content pusher.<br />
I think its jaded on our part to think Mike was suggesting that scientist forget their skill set specialties.  I think the focus is on where these skills are applied, and this should be flexible.  The nation will not tolerate a &#8216;large&#8217; (meaning out of balance) Mars program or any other single planet, for decades on end.  Wont people get bored?  Wouldn&#8217;t they be right to ask, &#8216;you&#8217;ve been studying this one question for how long?&#8217;.<br />
I think it is just mean of us, knowing that the man is trying to promote a space exploration vision and is tired from the uphill climb, to interpret his comments so bleakly.  For example, he clearly is not suggesting to zero the Mars budget, so lets not feign quite such alarm.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23662</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it somewhat interesting that the &quot;grad student&quot; paraphrased above (and some of the audience) seemed to be touting the Obama plan to cut manned spaceflight in order to fund his education goals. Because we all know that throwing money at a problem that&#039;s always been well funded is what you need to fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it somewhat interesting that the &#8220;grad student&#8221; paraphrased above (and some of the audience) seemed to be touting the Obama plan to cut manned spaceflight in order to fund his education goals. Because we all know that throwing money at a problem that&#8217;s always been well funded is what you need to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: JPLer</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23656</link>
		<dc:creator>JPLer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Do we have any idea how this suit is going?

There is an injunction in place, halting the new background checks. 

More at http://hspd12jpl.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Do we have any idea how this suit is going?</p>
<p>There is an injunction in place, halting the new background checks. </p>
<p>More at <a href="http://hspd12jpl.org" rel="nofollow">http://hspd12jpl.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how jaded he has become.  I really believe that what we are witnessing is a man frustrated and undone by his inability to overcome the massive bureaucracy of the government.  The cynicism of his tones are becoming common place amongst many popular (amongst the aerospace community) pundits that also champion spaceflight.

His change in attitude is proof that attempting to convince the people of the importance of your endeavor is the wrong thing to do.  It is a free country, people can believe whatever they want to believe, and when your space program is publicly funded, its the people&#039;s money, and therefore you are duty bound to listen and abide by the people&#039;s criticisms.  There should be no great crusade for space support or demands that &quot;if people would just realize how important space is,&quot; etc...  Such demands are are not within the principles of freedom that this country was founded on.

The most powerful vote is with your wallet.  So you love space?  Quit tring to convince everyone that you&#039;re right and do something that will make a tangible difference.  Invest in private space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how jaded he has become.  I really believe that what we are witnessing is a man frustrated and undone by his inability to overcome the massive bureaucracy of the government.  The cynicism of his tones are becoming common place amongst many popular (amongst the aerospace community) pundits that also champion spaceflight.</p>
<p>His change in attitude is proof that attempting to convince the people of the importance of your endeavor is the wrong thing to do.  It is a free country, people can believe whatever they want to believe, and when your space program is publicly funded, its the people&#8217;s money, and therefore you are duty bound to listen and abide by the people&#8217;s criticisms.  There should be no great crusade for space support or demands that &#8220;if people would just realize how important space is,&#8221; etc&#8230;  Such demands are are not within the principles of freedom that this country was founded on.</p>
<p>The most powerful vote is with your wallet.  So you love space?  Quit tring to convince everyone that you&#8217;re right and do something that will make a tangible difference.  Invest in private space.</p>
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		<title>By: Space &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Griffin on NASA and Education</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23632</link>
		<dc:creator>Space &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Griffin on NASA and Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Griffin Redux, Starstryder (Blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; Mars needs money</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23626</link>
		<dc:creator>Space Politics &#187; Mars needs money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to one account of the speech and Q&amp;A session that followed, several people argued that NASA&#8217;s Mars program should not be penalized financially just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23591</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the report. I&#039;m hoping that with a change in president we&#039;ll get a change in the importance of science and maybe an increase in the overall funding of science programs. More for all science, not just NASA. 

I agree with Griffin that science education isn&#039;t a major NASA responsibility. But since they have the flashy projects that draw in students, education and pointing students toward other resources has to be part of their mission. Maybe the science education community can work on having *obvious* good resources. 

I emphasize obvious. There&#039;s a lot of wonderful information out there. I learn so much from Astronomy Cast and Scientific Americans&#039; 60-Second Science. There are loads of great web sites. But where does a 9-year-old fascinated with the stars go to explore and learn today as well as see a path to follow to become an astrophysicist? It has to involve math. And she needs to hear that very, very early. 

You may want to study the composition of long-period comets, but you start off broadly and don&#039;t super-specialize until you&#039;re in grad school. And I think Griffin&#039;s mention on not specializing is a reminder that you don&#039;t forget the basics of planetary geology while you&#039;re chasing comets. It&#039;s a good idea to keep an eye on related fields. That&#039;s good advice for anyone.

Sorry this got so long. Thank you for the reporting and commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the report. I&#8217;m hoping that with a change in president we&#8217;ll get a change in the importance of science and maybe an increase in the overall funding of science programs. More for all science, not just NASA. </p>
<p>I agree with Griffin that science education isn&#8217;t a major NASA responsibility. But since they have the flashy projects that draw in students, education and pointing students toward other resources has to be part of their mission. Maybe the science education community can work on having *obvious* good resources. </p>
<p>I emphasize obvious. There&#8217;s a lot of wonderful information out there. I learn so much from Astronomy Cast and Scientific Americans&#8217; 60-Second Science. There are loads of great web sites. But where does a 9-year-old fascinated with the stars go to explore and learn today as well as see a path to follow to become an astrophysicist? It has to involve math. And she needs to hear that very, very early. </p>
<p>You may want to study the composition of long-period comets, but you start off broadly and don&#8217;t super-specialize until you&#8217;re in grad school. And I think Griffin&#8217;s mention on not specializing is a reminder that you don&#8217;t forget the basics of planetary geology while you&#8217;re chasing comets. It&#8217;s a good idea to keep an eye on related fields. That&#8217;s good advice for anyone.</p>
<p>Sorry this got so long. Thank you for the reporting and commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Raupe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Raupe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, our appreciation for the dogged reporting. True Journalism. Here near Middletown / Englehard (the crew prefers Darkwood, actually) we often feel as though we were already on Malapert, and have, between nuts and bolts, actually been reading these postings aloud to one another.

Despise not the time of small beginnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, our appreciation for the dogged reporting. True Journalism. Here near Middletown / Englehard (the crew prefers Darkwood, actually) we often feel as though we were already on Malapert, and have, between nuts and bolts, actually been reading these postings aloud to one another.</p>
<p>Despise not the time of small beginnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Helio Huet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helio Huet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting report.  Thanks for your effort to keep us in the know. 

The emphasis on despecialization almost sounds a little foreboding.  Almost every golf tournament today is a 4-person scramble, so you better have someone who is great with driving, great with irons, great from sand, and great with putting.  Being the best requires all 4, especially if your putting sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting report.  Thanks for your effort to keep us in the know. </p>
<p>The emphasis on despecialization almost sounds a little foreboding.  Almost every golf tournament today is a 4-person scramble, so you better have someone who is great with driving, great with irons, great from sand, and great with putting.  Being the best requires all 4, especially if your putting sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23564</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man is an asshole. And, we should suffer no assholes in leadership positions. We need someone to bankrole a few high-powered lawsuits against him after his tenure at NASA - enough to financially ruin him in the ensuing tangle. Their content doesn&#039;t matter,just that he&#039;s in court for a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man is an asshole. And, we should suffer no assholes in leadership positions. We need someone to bankrole a few high-powered lawsuits against him after his tenure at NASA &#8211; enough to financially ruin him in the ensuing tangle. Their content doesn&#8217;t matter,just that he&#8217;s in court for a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Kinne</title>
		<link>http://www.starstryder.com/2008/03/10/michael-griffin-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-23559</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Kinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The next question is about the new badge and security check 
&gt;that is being done on NASA employees at JPL. He is saying 
&gt;this is identical to what civil servants have gone through 
&gt;for decades, and everything has been reviewed by lawyers 
&gt;before being implemented.

Do we have any idea how this suit is going?

This is bull, honestly. I&#039;ve been a civil servant. I never went through any checks like what has been described.

I&#039;m thrilled to see, finally, more and more people wake up to the Orwellian aspects of the current administration and the entities they&#039;ve created. Perhaps when enough of us wake up and move the current administration and party out of office we can begin dismantling things like &quot;Homeland Security.&quot;

But, I digress...heavily.  It&#039;s been that sort of a day.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The next question is about the new badge and security check<br />
&gt;that is being done on NASA employees at JPL. He is saying<br />
&gt;this is identical to what civil servants have gone through<br />
&gt;for decades, and everything has been reviewed by lawyers<br />
&gt;before being implemented.</p>
<p>Do we have any idea how this suit is going?</p>
<p>This is bull, honestly. I&#8217;ve been a civil servant. I never went through any checks like what has been described.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thrilled to see, finally, more and more people wake up to the Orwellian aspects of the current administration and the entities they&#8217;ve created. Perhaps when enough of us wake up and move the current administration and party out of office we can begin dismantling things like &#8220;Homeland Security.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, I digress&#8230;heavily.  It&#8217;s been that sort of a day.  <img src='http://www.starstryder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doc Kinne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Kinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I’m fascinated by the difference between Griffin here 
&gt;and Griffin at AAS.

And up to that point in the posting, so was I. I was actually starting to check back and thinking, &quot;Is this the same guy who was at AAS?&quot;

How did your assessment go toward the end of the talk? Past that point in the  posting I would well believe this was the same person that made you mad last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I’m fascinated by the difference between Griffin here<br />
&gt;and Griffin at AAS.</p>
<p>And up to that point in the posting, so was I. I was actually starting to check back and thinking, &#8220;Is this the same guy who was at AAS?&#8221;</p>
<p>How did your assessment go toward the end of the talk? Past that point in the  posting I would well believe this was the same person that made you mad last month.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlett Letter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett Letter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was near Star Stryder at Griffin&#039; talk. She&#039;s a pretty good note-taker on the BlackBerry.
The Google X-Prize speaker is from the Lunar and Planetary Lab at the University of Arizona.
Griffin is a lousy speech reader but is much better answering questions on his feet.
Glad that Mars dominated the QA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was near Star Stryder at Griffin&#8217; talk. She&#8217;s a pretty good note-taker on the BlackBerry.<br />
The Google X-Prize speaker is from the Lunar and Planetary Lab at the University of Arizona.<br />
Griffin is a lousy speech reader but is much better answering questions on his feet.<br />
Glad that Mars dominated the QA.</p>
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